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The point, I think, is that by the time you get to "trial week" phase you are pretty much set on joining, and it's just to avoid complete disasters. So the odds of you burning through two of these is incredibly low, and it's worth it anyway, since if you actually ended up not getting through trial week you are avoiding what could have been several years of a dysfunctional work environment, not to mention all the other opportunity costs of moving, etc.


If that's true, the companies running "trial weeks" and other temp-to-perm arrangements should be able to quote the retention rate they have from these programs. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they hover around 95%, or in some cases even 100%.

But then, I'd respond to that by asking what temp-to-perm is actually buying you, in exchange for the expense of filtering your candidate pool down to people willing to do you a favor in the hottest seller's market for talent in 10 years.


Out of 50+ product, engineering and marketing folks, only 2 have ever left. We have multiple people that have been around for 5+ years. So yes, amazing retention and team cohesion is certainly a by-product of the trial week.


Sorry, I was referring to the outcome of the trial week itself, because I hadn't caught the end of the article where you said the outcome was a 66% accept.

You've built what is by all accounts an excellent team and an enviable workplace, so it is with all possible respect that I say that I'm discouraged that you're employing a temp-to-perm arrangement in your hiring practice --- but if it's working for you, I'm not sure what else I can say.


I certainly respect your point of view. In my mind this isn't a temp-to-hire -- that would be something more lengthy, maybe a 2-4 week temp period.

So many people are frustrated with the traditional interview process, and we think it's pretty broken, too. This trial week is really about being able to assess all the things you can't in an interview.

Also, since a majority of our team is relocating from elsewhere, it's a big decision for them and it's turned out to be very valuable on their end as well.


> Also, since a majority of our team is relocating from elsewhere, it's a big decision for them and it's turned out to be very valuable on their end as well.

This wasn't addressed in the original article other than the mention of paying for flights, and this relocation angle is probably a bit more of a factor than you probably expect regarding the willingness of candidates (95%) agreeing to do it.

If someone is moving to a new city, getting a paid trip to visit the city for a week while considering a job is a win. A candidate could even potentially interview off-hours with other companies on their dime, while exploring what the city has to offer and look into housing, schooling, etc.

If this trial week was mostly local candidates, the 95% being willing to sacrifice vacation time would be much more surprising (and potentially more risky, since I'm assuming most candidates aren't telling their current employers that they are doing this).

If these are mostly out-of-area candidates, it's not all that surprising that they would be willing to take a paid week of work and a free trip to see whether relocating makes sense for them.

Most wouldn't accept a position in a new city without getting the chance to look at the city, and what better way than a free trip?


"Our hire rate out of trial week is around 66%, which feels like the right level."

66% seems quite low for that kind of arrangement, enough to be discouraged from applying in the first place unless you're currently jobless. I can definitely understand the 90-100% temp-permanent programs though.


You'd be surprised the reasons it doesn't work out though. It's almost never intelligence. It's usually that someone was a huge dick, or was really lazy. It's just so strange to me that you couldn't keep your inner asshole at bay for one week, but better to know sooner than later.


To play a devil's advocate: it might be better if you DON'T "keep your inner asshole at bay for one week". If those people didn't like the way they were, they would have changed themselves already anyway. On the other hand, pretending to be something they are not just gets them to places where they are not appreciated for what they are - so why would someone want to do that?

The point is, evaluation works both ways. Did they fail your test or did you fail theirs? :)

Nice point of view though, thanks for sharing!


I don't see why that's playing devil's advocate. This is exactly the point of the program, and arguably its most important use case. Whether you frame the failure as "we didn't hire him because he's an asshole" or as (from his pov) "i just couldn't stop myself being a dick, their company culture was annoying" -- the employer has achieved his intended outcome, which is to filter out bad fits for the company.


Ouch.


At the end of the article they said they hired 66% of trial week candidates.


missed this! so yeah i guess it's a bit riskier than i thought.

then again, if you have a decent amount of evidence you are competent and not an asshole i would imagine this raises your odds significantly.


Doesn't the article state that 34% don't make it? That's a pretty high failure rate for a trial period where both parties were already set on making it work.

In Netherland, there's a legal 1 month trial period for any new job, but it's extremely rare that someone will be fired in that month.


33% chance of wasting a week is incredibly low? How came?




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