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When you put it like that, one almost has to feel sorry for Germany, bravely fighting influence, bribery and espionage every step of the way only to fall prey in the end to the Russian state which maliciously supplied the German industry with gas.

But this is not at all bad for the US, it’s great! Russia is isolated and weakened and the EU is strangulated by yet another wave of refugees and weakened economically, becoming even more dependent on the US for security.



I think that https://ceres.georgetown.edu/research/student-projects/geopo... is a fair assessment. I would add https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/dec/13/russia.germany, also. It is plainly clear that the current Russian leadership is expansionist in nature, because they are killing thousands of people in a former satellite state to reestablish prior borders.

This is definitely a less than zero-sum environment. Russia would have been better off not invading Ukraine, along with Europe and the US. A peaceful and international law abiding Russia would be a stronger and richer Russia.


The US doesn't want to have a strong Europe Russia relationship. That's the whole reason behind this conflict. The US started to bribe everyone in Ukraine and even forced a coup in 2014. History of the US destabilising regions is very evident. They are good at it.


That is a way of looking at it without nuance. Russia falsified the elections in the East in 2004 and tried to murder Yushchenko. They created a problem in western Ukraine by themselves, which precipitated the revolution in 2014. Since Russia is profoundly gifted at domestically blaming the west for their own problems, I can see how it would seem like the US forced a coup.

Perhaps Russia shouldn't invade their neighbors. It seems to make their neighbors not like them.


The US would definitely prefer that this invasion not happen. It destabilizes too much of the world.




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