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I use a xiaomi phone and the reason I use it is because it is significantly cheaper compared to a samsung or apple phone. Example: A $200 xiaomi phone is equivalent in specs to a $600 Samsung.

Also it is likely the Chinese are spying on me indirectly (data collection where the chinses military can access the data if they want to) but I really have nothing significant on me that the Chinese would want to be concerned with me.



> significantly cheaper compared to a samsung or apple phone.

Shouldn't that be a huge red flag? Any time someone offers something too good to be true, it never is.

> Also it is likely the Chinese are spying on me indirectly

Why?

> I really have nothing significant on me that the Chinese would want to be concerned with me.

It's not just about you, dammit. [0]

By accepting their offer, you validate their actions. You give them bigger reach and make it easier for them to get people that might be of interest.

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument


Everyone of yours statements is equally applicable to Chrome, right?


Yeap. Don't use Chrome if you can avoid it. I'm using Brave for years already and I am very happy with it.


Except Brave itself also collects telemetry and has been caught whitelisting cross site apis from sites like Facebook.

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/02/12/privacy-browser-...

Honestly, when Brave makes the kind of claims that they do, an oversight like this is inexcusable. Privacy should mean privacy, even if that means losing functionality on a select few sites.


Oh, give me a break.

> collects telemetry

https://brave.com/privacy-preserving-product-analytics-p3a/

   * P3A doesn’t collect any personal information. 
   * You can turn P3A off at any time in the “Privacy and Security” section of the browser preferences.
   * All the P3A code will be open source (...) you can check that your browser is only sharing the specific things we promise.

> Honestly, when Brave makes the kind of claims that they do, an oversight like this is inexcusable.

The claim was never about absolute privacy but rather as strong as default as possible while keeping the web functional. And in that department they are delivering more than any alternative - more than even Firefox out of the box. Not to mention that TFA itself states that the implementation was far from ideal.

Anyway, the biggest question I have for those that are so quick to criticize Brave is "what else do we have with a business model that can disrupt Surveillance Capitalism?". Apple could if they wanted, but where is Safari for Windows/Linux? Any of the others? Doubtful. Even Mozilla's dependency on ad revenue from Google makes them less credible. So why shit on Brave when there is absolutely zero potential alternatives?


> Shouldn't that be a huge red flag? Any time someone offers something too good to be true, it never is

does that include the free tiers that many US companies are offering?

For example: Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube


Yes. It also includes any free social media, any free messenger platform and any ad-based "freemium" service.

Surveillance Capitalism is bad and we should be fighting it.


I really have nothing significant on me that the Chinese would want to be concerned with me.

So you give them your email passwords? After all, you have nothing to hide.


> A $200 xiaomi phone is equivalent in specs to a $600 Samsung.

Xiaomi phones have much higher audio latency than Samsung phones.[1] As a VoIP user, I would rather use an entry level Samsung phone (e.g., a $150 A02s) than a Xiaomi flagship.

[1] https://superpowered.com/latency




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