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produce less meat

Eating less meat just means more waste. We need to stop talking about climate change as a problem individuals can solve with ecological lifestyle choices. We need international economic planning and the seizure of carbon extracting industry.



> the seizure of carbon extracting industry

It sounds like what you mean is that you want some government or government like entity to take down big beef/pork/chicken.

What the actual version of that would be is some government-esque entity taking over a bunch of farms and murdering their cows/pigs/chickens and forcibly unemploying large groups of people.

Alternatively that might mean some government-esque entity invading a bunch of foreign farms owned by small Central and Southern American ranchers who aren't exactly rolling in cash with their occupation despite releasing a lot of carbon into the atmosphere.

Let's maybe not call for large government/government-esque orgs to go around seizing anything. That sounds very drastic and bad for a lot of mostly innocent people who do a lot of hard work to raise cows for not very much pay.


> Let's maybe not call for large government/government-esque orgs to go around seizing anything.

Agree.

I'm adding a reminder here for anyone whos intrigued by this to read up on Soviet history, Kmer Rouge and Maos China. (Of course make sure to read up on UK, Belgian and Dutch colonies as well. And American imperialism. Lots of ugly stories there as well.)


The OP could be meaning seizure as in 'to stop' rather than 'to take'?


What about good old taxation? Tax biological meat by the amount it pollutes (so I guess beef would be the highest), subsidy (ideally with those taxed money) artificially grown one / invest into research of it if we're not there yet


Supply and demand though. It wouldn't be instant, but if people start eating less meat, they will produce less.

If grocery stores can't sell a certain amount in a couple days, and if this trend continues, they will reevaluate and buy less


I think the rationale here is that the market is rational, and if people were to consume less meat, less meat would be produced.

And that makes sense to me. It's not as if we're killing 3 billion animals per day just because we can, we're doing it because there's such a huge demand for it.


Temporarily maybe, but consumption pulls production, production follows consumption, not the opposite

Producing less will make it more expensive at least


Basic economics have moved far past supply and demand curves, imo.

Also demand is not the same as consumption. You can manufacture demand.


The only way consumers have to impact on production of a commodity is our purchasing habits, is not weak, vegans are causing havoc on the diary industry.


> We need international economic planning and the seizure of carbon extracting industry.

Hate to be cynical but there is 0% chance of this happening.

Climate change will never be "solved" because nobody truly cares. For the vast majority of people the consequences are too abstract and they like their current lifestyle too much.

People would rather pretend that using a paper straw will make the world livable for the next generation than face reality.


Even if everyone decided that it's in everyone's best interest to eat less meat, some people would just assume since everyone else is doing it, they can cheat. Or worse, they would just ignore it.

The point at which we ask people to do the right thing is long gone. We need swift, definitive action that takes the hammer to the nail and closes those gaps for good. The only way I am aware of that happening is regulation. Yet, we have massive corruption and money dictating favorable outcomes so I don't know how anything will change. We need someone with brains and balls to say no to a political career and just do what's right no matter the personal consequences. This person would need to be extremely intelligent, eloquent and convincing enough to get other world leaders to get on board and implement a policy that EVERYONE has to abide by. This needs to happen practically over night. All seemingly impossible feats, but this is what we are up against now.


> We need international economic planning

That would reduce meat consumption a lot. All other food consumption, too.




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